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Joint Ontolog-OOR Panel Discussion Session - Thu 15-Oct-2009

Title: OOR Sandbox and OOR Requirements - Comparative Analysis

Panelists:

  • Chair: Dr. ToddSchneider (Raytheon) - "OOR-BioPortal Comparative Analysis" - [ slides ]
  • Dr. Natasha Noy & Mr. MichaelDorf (NCBO-Stanford) - "BioPortal as (the only functional) OOR SandBox (so far)" - [ slides ]
  • Professor KenBaclawski (Northeastern) - "OOR in the Classroom: An Experience Report" - [ slides ]
  • Ms. ElisaKendall (Sandpiper Software) - "Requirements and Initial Steps Towards An OOR for Standards Management" - [ slides ]
  • Mr. MikeDean (BBN) - "OOR: Vision vs. Current State" - [ slides ]

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Conference Call Details

  • Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009
  • Start Time: 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 7:30pm CEST / 6:30pm BST / 17:30 UTC
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Abstract

Title: OOR Sandbox and OOR Requirements - Comparative Analysis - by Todd Schneider - [ slides ]
With the benefit of the NCBO BioPortal as a sandbox for OOR testing and experimentation, an analysis comparing the sandbox against the OOR requirements is needed. This comparison should provide a) future directions for BioPortal, and b) facilitate the understanding of the OOR architecture and its development priorities.
Here are the abstracts of the briefings from our other panelists who will be seeding our discussion:
  • "BioPortal as (the only functional) OOR SandBox (so far)" - by Natasha Noy / MichaelDorf - [ slides ]
    • Abstract: BioPortal is a community-based repository of biomedical ontologies (http://bioportal.bioontology.org). BioPortal code currently forms the basis of the OOR sandbox. However, BioPortal has its own requirements and user community and therefore some of the BioPortal current status and outlook differs from the OOR Requirements. In this talk, we will focus on OOR requirements that are not yet addressed by BioPortal and will discuss our team's plans with respect to these requirements.
  • "OOR in the Classroom: An Experience Report" - by Ken Baclawski - [ slides ]
    • Abstract: It is sometimes said that the best way to understand a subject is to try to teach it. Accordingly, I will report on what I learned about OOR from my current attempt to use it in a course. In particular, I learned that even after introducing students to the concepts underlying ontologies and the Semantic Web it was still unclear what OOR was storing and how it differed from a generic repository such as subversion. I will discuss some of the issues that were already raised in the course as well as issues that I anticipate will be encountered as the course proceeds.
  • "Requirements and Initial Steps Towards An OOR for Standards Management" - by Elisa Kendall - [ slides ]
    • Abstract: this talk will cover some of the background and plan at OMG towards setting up an OOR for their standards
  • "OOR: Vision vs. Current State" - by Mike Dean - [ slides ]
    • Abstract: Ontology Summit 2008 yielded a vision and roadmap for OOR. We'll revisit these and compare them to the current instantiation.

Resources

Agenda

1. Opening by session Chair (ToddSchneider)

2. Briefings from the Panel -- Todd Schneider, Natasha Noy / MichaelDorf, Ken Baclawski, Elisa Kendall & Mike Dean

3. Q & A and Open Discussion (All) -- please refer to process above

4. Summary and wrap-up (ToddSchneider)

Proceedings

Please refer to the archives above

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

(The chat transcript below has been lightly edited to help improve on clarity of the conversation.)

Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the Joint Ontolog-OOR Panel Discussion Session - Thu 15-Oct-2009

Title: OOR Sandbox and OOR Requirements - Comparative Analysis

Panelists:

  • Chair: Dr. Todd Schneider (Raytheon) - "OOR-BioPortal Comparative Analysis"
  • Dr. Natasha Noy & Mr. MichaelDorf (NCBO-Stanford) - "BioPortal as (the only functional) OOR SandBox (so far)"
  • Professor Ken Baclawski (Northeastern) - "OOR in the Classroom: An Experience Report"
  • Ms. Elisa Kendall (Sandpiper Software) - "Requirements and Initial Steps Towards An OOR for Standards Management"
  • Mr. Mike Dean (BBN) - "OOR: Vision vs. Current State"

Please refer to details on the session page at:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_10_15

Joel Bender: w00t!

anonymous morphed into Elisa Kendall

anonymous morphed into MichaelDorf

Terry Patten morphed into Terry Patten

anonymous morphed into Michael Grüninger

Tom B morphed into Tom Brunner

Terry Longstreth morphed into Terry Longstreth

Natasha Noy: To Todd: you mentioned the work of TopQuadrant as the best

example of being ontologically driven. Which work are you referring to?

Peter P. Yim: @Todd: slide#14 ... I suggest we should weight the pros and

cons of providing "editing/creation" support from OOR (as other

dedicated editing platforms would probably do a better job)

Peter P. Yim: @Todd: slide#17 - why "thick client"?

Michael Grüninger: Todd: Can you elaborate what you meant by

modularization?

Peter P. Yim: @Todd - slide#21 - good stuff!

Harold Solbrig: WSDL and REST don't work that well together. What is the

current state of the WADL spec?

Carlos Rueda (MBARI): @Ken = slide 5: good point. An strategy we have

integrated into our deployment of BioPortal is to use the URIs of the

ontologies and their concepts as the main identifiers. In other words,

at least in our case, this has been motivated by our requirement to make

URIs first-class citizens in our ontology registry.

Michael Grüninger: @Ken: By transformations do you mean mappings between

an ontology that is represented in multiple languages (e.g. OWL-Time vs

CL-Time) or is it between two ontologies that are logically equivalent?

Ken Baclawski: @Carlos - Great! Please send me the details.

Ken Baclawski: @Michael - I was mainly thinking of transformations

between representations in different languages. Not just ontologies BTW

since the OOR has more in it than just ontologies. Transformations

between ontologies that are logically equivalent is also interesting,

but I was not dealing with that since it is not as relevant for the OOR

at least in the near to mid-term.

Carlos Rueda (MBARI): @Ken: unfortunately, this is in need of good

documentation :/ .. in the meantime, I'll be happy to talk about it if

you wish. A quick note, however: we haven't done any modifications to

the BioPortal back-end; rather this is handled by a new interface layer

we have developed.

Ken Baclawski: @Harold - The latest version of WSDL, version 2.0, can

specify RESTful services, so it isn't so clear that WADL is very useful

anymore.

Harold Solbrig: @Ken - tried to use it briefly, but ran into problems.

Will give it another look if you think that it really subsumes WADL

functionality...

Michael Grüninger: @Ken: What else does OOR contain besides ontologies

that you would want to transform?

Todd Schneider: To All: I'll have to get back on any questions asked of me.

Michael Grüninger: @Todd: Can you give more detailed examples of rules

and policies in OOR?

Terry Longstreth: @Todd: ..can you expand on the issue of real time?

Ken Baclawski: @Michael - There are many examples, such as rules,

policies, and configurations.

Peter P. Yim: @Todd: I don't believe I can get my vice through ... but I

had two questions (see above) ... one on doing editing in the context of

OOR (rather than doing that elsewhere) and the other on your choice of

thick client ... can you discuss that, please?

Peter P. Yim: yes ... thanks (although I would still hope we focus first on

the thin client)

Peter P. Yim: thank you, Todd, thanks everyone ... great session!

Peter P. Yim: session adjourned 12:48 pm PDT

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