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ONTOLOG Community Program Planning Session - Thu 2013-09-12

Session Co-chairs: PeterYim (ONTOLOG; CIM3) & MichaelGruninger (IAOA; U of Toronto)

Topic: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013

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  • Date: Thursday, 12-Sep-2013
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Abstract

This session is a culmination of the community input received during the following recent community planning sessions:

From the above input, a strawman program of ONTOLOG events for the rest of 2013 has been crafted; and it looks something like the following. This will provide a starting point for our deliberation during the session. We will also take the opportunity to get community input on potential panelists for each of these panel sessions.

see developing Master Event Calendar at: MeetingsCalls

  • 2013_12_26 - Thursday: No community event ... Happy Holidays! (3TZF)
  • 2013_12_19 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 4 - R4. Guide to Reasoning Applications Development and Cases [HensonGraves, KenBaclawski?] (3TZG)
  • 2013_12_12 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 7 - S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the standards in natural language standards [SimonSpero, RichardMartin?, MarkJohnson?, KenBaclawski] (3TZH)
  • 2013_12_06 - Friday: First Ontology Summit 2014 Organizing Committee meeting
  • 2013_12_05 - Thursday: Ontology Summit 2014 (Pre-Launch) Community Brainstorm Session (3TZI)
  • 2013_11_28 - Thursday: No community event ... Thanksgiving Holiday in the US! (3TZB)
  • 2013_11_21 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 3 - R3. Rule Standards: Common Logic, RuleML, and RIF [HaroldBoley, Adrian Paschke, MikeDean?] (3TZC)
  • 2013_11_14 - Thursday: No community event ... STIDS 2013 in session this week (3TZD)
  • ... Ontology Summit 2014 co-organizer meeting to be held around this time
  • 2013_11_07 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 6 - S4. Ontology-based Financial Standards [MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy, ElieAbiLahoud] (3TZE)
  • 2013_10_31 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 2 - R2. Concepts and Foundations of Logic Programming and Semantic Web Programming [LeoObrst, PascalHitzler?] (3TZ6)
  • 2013_10_24 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 1 - R1. Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications (RulesReasoningLP): Survey and Introduction [LeoObrst, BenjaminGrosof] (3TZ7)
  • 2013_10_17 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 5 - S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [[[GaryBergCross]], TaraAthan] (3TZ8)
  • 2013_10_10 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 4 - S1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure (3TZ9)
  • 2013_10_08 - Tuesday: OOR Development Session: "Meta-Ontology for Ontology Categories" - Co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Michael Grüninger - OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_10_08 (3X95)
  • 2013_10_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-ONTOLOG Session: "Brainstorming for an Ontology textbook" - Chair: Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2013_10_03 (3TZA)
  • 2013_10_01 - Tuesday: OOR Project Team Member (regular planning & admin) Conference Call - OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_10_01 (3X8X)

We will aim at defining the events, fitting the above into the rest our Ontolog 2013 event calendar, and postponing some sessions till after OntologySummit2014. Hopefully, by the end of this session, we would have confirmed the content and champions for each of the virtual panel sessions (between now and end-Dec 2013), in a way that will give the community a strong and coherent program of events. We will also take the opportunity to get community input on potential panelists for each of these panel sessions, as recommendations to the session chairs.

Agenda

Community Event Planning: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013

Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call
  • 2. Open discussion-I: Scheduling the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|OntologyBasedStandards] sessions] - ALL (30 min.) ... (refer to process above)
    • pick 4 sessions this year; the other 4 next year (after the OntologySummit); assign session dates
    • confirming session co-chairs, content, topics and candidate panelists
  • 3. Open discussion-II: Scheduling the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|RulesReasoningLP] sessions] - ALL (30 min.)
    • confirming session co-chairs and session dates
    • discuss topics, content and candidate panelists
  • 4. Open discussion-III: review of overall Q4-2013 ONTOLOG Program: additional community input and ideas - ALL (20 min.)

Proceedings

Please refer to the above

From today's discussion, our program will be like ...

  • Sessions 4, 5 6 & 7 for the OntologyBasedStandards initiative will come out of those discussed on Jul-18, namely
    • S1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure
    • S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [TaraAthan, GaryBergCross]
      • co-chairs: GaryBergCross & Tara Athan
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: Thu 2013.10.17 - session-5
    • S3. Ontology-based Standards in Manufacturing [BobYoung, Michael Grüninger, RichardMartin]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: MG: after Ontology Summit
    • S4. Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy, ElieAbiLahoud]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: Thu 2013.11.07 - session-6
    • S5. Standards and Ontology Metadata [ElisaKendall, TerryLongstreth]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: MG: after Ontology Summit (by default)
    • S6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: KB: after Ontology Summit
    • S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards [SimonSpero, Richard Martin, Mark Johnson, Ken Baclawski, AdamWyner?]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: Thu 2013.12.12 - session-7
    • S8. Synthesis and harmonization of the ontologies and standards presented in the miniseries [???]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: MG: after Ontology Summit

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20130912

2013-09-12 GMT-08:00 [PDT]

[10:15] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

ONTOLOG Community Program Planning Session - Thu 2013-09-12

Session Co-chairs: Mr. Peter P. Yim & Professor Michael Grüninger

Topic: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013

Logistics:

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(Chat-room) Attendees: Peter P. Yim (co-chair), Michael Grüninger (co-chair), Adam Wyner, Adrian Paschke,

Ali Hashemi, Anatoly Levenchuk, Benjamin Grosof, ElieAbiLahoud, GaryBergCross, Harold Boley, Ken Baclawski,

Lamar Henderson, Mike Bennett, Simon Spero, Tara Athan, Terry Longstreth, Thomas Getgood

Proceedings

[10:29] anonymous morphed into Simon Spero

[10:30] anonymous morphed into ElieAbiLahoud

[10:30] anonymous morphed into Adrian Paschke

[10:31] Simon Spero: Over optimistic recruiters:

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?psa=1&Job_DID=JHT5R56SVJBMBB2CQ8T&sc_extcmp=JS_JobAlert_Title&ipath=PSSKG02U

[10:31] anonymous morphed into Adam Wyner

[10:34] Mike Bennett: I can only stay for the first half hour I'm afraid.

[10:35] anonymous morphed into GaryBergCross

[10:35] anonymous morphed into Benjamin Grosof

[10:40] anonymous morphed into Anatoly Levenchuk

[10:35] Peter P. Yim: == Peter P. Yim & Michael Grüninger starts session by providing an overview - see intro

slides at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3XCQ

[10:38] GaryBergCross: DC is in the midst of a storm so I may lose power and thus internet...

[10:41] Peter P. Yim: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3X9K

[10:47] Benjamin Grosof: Correction: There's a typo in the calendar: it should be Thur. 12/19 not

Thur. 12/17. [Thanks, Benjamin ... now corrected. --ppy]

[10:39] Benjamin Grosof: wrt schedule for the RulesReasoningLP etc. miniseries: 10/17 I have a

probable conflict.

[10:41] Benjamin Grosof: Suggestion: therefore, how about we swap the topics of the 10/24 and 10/17

sessions? I.e., do RulesReasoningLP Session 1 on 10/24?

[10:54] Peter P. Yim: [consensus] we will swap the 10/17 and 10/24 dates - so: we will now have:

//

2013_10_24 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 1

2013_10_17 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 4

//

[10:49] anonymous morphed into Lamar Henderson

[11:00] Michael Grüninger: Potential date for S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains

[TaraAthan, GaryBergCross] - October 17

[10:58] ElieAbiLahoud: @ Peter, 2013_10_17 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 4 or session 1 ?

[10:59] Peter P. Yim: @Elie - it's "session 4" - as 3 prior sessions on this mini-series has already

been rolled out - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyBasedStandards#nid3GIP

[11:03] anonymous morphed into Tara Athan

[11:04] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: we can't hear you

[11:05] Mike Bennett: I've had to drop off for another call.

[11:05] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: ok, we'll come back to you in 5 minutes?

[11:05] Mike Bennett: Will remain lurking here on the chat, but not on the audio - apologies.

[11:08] Mike Bennett: We are pretty flexible I think. Will have to co-ordinate with BillMcCarthy

also. I have a holiday penciled in for week of 24th but otherwise I'm OK.

[11:07] Peter P. Yim: ref TaraAthan's question - the standard start-time for the Thursday sessions are

12:30pm EDT and it will last 1.5~2.0 hours (generally 2-Hours when we have a panel session with

multiple panelists)

[11:08] Michael Grüninger / Ken Baclawski: S6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]

- propose to move to next year (after Ontology Summit)

[11:09] Adam Wyner: I'd be very interested in this topic. Please put me on the list for this: S7. How

ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards

[11:09] Adam Wyner: There is a lot going on in NL and ontologies.

[11:10] Adam Wyner: Also Lemon.

[11:10] Adam Wyner: There could be some clarification of what this subject means.

[11:07] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: do you have a preferred date for your session? - S4.

Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy, ElieAbiLahoud]

[11:10] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: make a random choice between November 7 and December 12 :-)

[11:11] Mike Bennett: @Elie do you have a preference between those dates, as you're also on the hook

for this one?

[11:13] ElieAbiLahoud: I suggest Nov-28 or Dec-5, what do you think ?

[11:15] Michael Grüninger: @ElieAbiLahoud: those dates are already allocated. For your session, we

need to decide between November 7 and December 12

[11:16] ElieAbiLahoud: @Michael, misunderstood the meaning of "between" - Semantics!

[11:15] Mike Bennett: Dec 12 is less ideal for me.

[11:16] Michael Grüninger: Ok, let's go with November 7 for S4 (Ontology-based Financial Standards)

[11:16] Adam Wyner: Mention of the ACE OWL-NL input and output tool as being useful. I'd be

interested if there has been progress with this tool. Last time I used it, the output from an

ontology to NL was rather suspect. But, the intention is in the right direction.

[11:16] Mike Bennett: BillMcCarthy votes for Dec 12 (via email). So let's go with that and I'll make it work.

[11:16] ElieAbiLahoud: @MikeBennett, I have no preference then, I'll adapt

[11:19] Peter P. Yim: @MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy & ElieAbiLahoud - we already have something scheduled

for Dec-12 - the S7 (S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural

language standards) team just reserved that date - does Nov-7 work for you guys?

[11:20] Mike Bennett: Nov 7 works for me, checking again with Bill now (he had voted for 12th).

[11:27] Mike Bennett: BillMcCarthy can do Nov 7 as well - so I can confirm we are all 3 on track for

the Nov 7 session.

[11:17] Adam Wyner: Mention of some of the literature on ACE for NL to FOL representations, e.g.

health rules and policy.

[11:17] Simon Spero: Adam: ERGO (med) : http://gem.med.yale.edu/ergo/

[11:17] Tara Athan: @Adam - where do standards come in, in the case of ACE, for example?

[11:21] Adam Wyner: @Simon. Thanks. I know that paper. I did something similar for regulations.

Reading the details, there are significant issues to resolve in using ACE (and I'm very pro ACE).

[11:21] Adam Wyner: @Tara - I'm not clear what the phrase "How ontologies can help with the formal

specification of the natural language standards" means, so would appreciate the authors of the

phrase to clarify.

[11:26] Ken Baclawski: @Adam - Standards are nearly always specified using a document written in a

natural language. The term "natural language standard" in this context means "standard whose

definitive document is written in natural language".

[11:34] Adam Wyner: @Ken - OK. That interpretation. That is different from 'standards of natural

language', which seems to me another reading, but not the desired one.

[11:20] Benjamin Grosof: wrt NL session: I too am very interested, and this is related to

RulesReasoningLP area.

[11:21] Benjamin Grosof: wrt financial-area session: I too am very interested, and this is related to

FIBO's rules area which I co-lead.

[11:22] Benjamin Grosof: The session dates we're talking about work for me for NL (12/12 - good) and

financial-area (11/17 - OK).

[11:23] anonymous morphed into Thomas Getgood

[11:24] Adam Wyner: The NL date of 12/12 does not work for me. Conference 12/11-13.

[11:26] Peter P. Yim: == Peter P. Yim moderating Open discussion-II: Scheduling the RulesReasoningLP sessions

[11:26] Peter P. Yim: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3XF2

[11:35] Peter P. Yim: Benjamin Grosof / Peter P. Yim: a lot of the background/tutorial material can be

recorded offline and made available (hosted in the Ontolog archives) as "mandatory" reading for the

session participants

[11:39] Tara Athan: @Benjamin - that sounds fine to me.

[11:39] Harold Boley: With input from Mike Dean and all, Adrian Paschke and I could help organizing R3.

Common Logic, RuleML and RIF.

[11:39] Benjamin Grosof: Suggestion: RulesReasoningLP session 1 title/description: I would add ",

including Concepts and Foundations of Rulelog, Logic Programming and Semantic Web Rules". ...

[response - Peter P. Yim: the original title actually expands to "Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming

for Reasoning and Applications (RulesReasoningLP): Survey and Introduction" and the session is

intended to lay out the scope for the entire mini-series, survey the technology landscape, and cite

use cases and applications to motivate the sessions that will follow (as

you suggested) - maybe

you and Leo can deliberate on the final title when you two planning out the session in detail. ...

Note also, that we have had presentations on Common Logic and Rulelog in the Ontolog archives

already.]

[11:40] Benjamin Grosof: I would be glad to help with organizing RulesReasoningLP sessions R2-R4 as

well as with session R1.

[11:40] Benjamin Grosof: Adrian Paschke would be good as a co-lead for R3. Mike Dean is out on medical

work leave currently.

[11:41] Benjamin Grosof: A good R5 (or R6) session would be on Natural Language (NL).

[11:43] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R3: Tara would indeed be a good panelist.

[11:44] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1: I think it makes most sense for me to speak at R1, hence maybe not

be a chair of the session esp. while presenting.

[11:45] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1 scope: cover use cases and tools as well as concepts and foundations.

[11:46] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R2: Pascal Hitzler would be good to ask as a panelist. I'm not sure he's

up for being a co-chair but we can see.

[11:49] Peter P. Yim: Leo should contact Pascal to confirm his availability

[11:50] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1: Henson Graves also feels that we should present use cases - incl. as

challenges as yet not satisfactorily solved as well as past ones already "done".

[11:51] Peter P. Yim: Henson Graves and Ken Baclawski need to touch base offline some time soon too (since

we weren't able to get a mutual consent from both of them here.)

[11:52] GaryBergCross: Have to drop off call now but will check email for any updates.

[11:42] Peter P. Yim: Henson Graves - request that we have a dedicated mailing list for RulesReasoningLP

[11:53] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1-R4: little plan for action items is the ff. Peter, please create

mailing list of people, send that out to Benjamin G, Henson G, Harold B, then we'll take it from

there to coordinate with Leo and the other proposed session chairs/panelists.

[11:54] Peter P. Yim: [action] Peter will create the new mailing list and auto-subscribe those who were

at the 7/25 brainstorm ... and invite those who we will potentially engage as panelists

[11:58] Peter P. Yim: join us again, next Thursday Sep-19, for the Ontology Summit 2014 Topic Brainstorm

session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_19 - note that the session

will start early (see details on session page)

[11:59] Adam Wyner: Thanks bye.

[11:59] Peter P. Yim: great session - we accomplished practically everything we meant to get done at

this session!

[11:59] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:58am PDT --

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --

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